Ukraine Wants to Set the Record Straight on Taylor Testimony

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When Ambassador Bill Taylor testified to congressional Democrats’ closed-door impeachment inquiry, he created huge headaches for the Trump administration by detailing their efforts to push Ukraine to probe former Vice President Joe Biden’s son

But Taylor also made some problems for Ukraine’s president. And now, aides in President Volodymyr Zelensky’s office are going on the record to push back. The episode shows just how complicated relations between the U.S. and Ukraine have become as the Trump impeachment inquiry unfolds. 

In his testimony last month, Taylor—America’s top diplomat in Kyiv—implied that two Zelensky aides blamed Ukraine, rather than Russia, for the long-running, bloody war in the eastern part of the country. Taylor’s words weren’t crystal-clear, but the comment set off a political firestorm in Ukraine, where Russian-backed separatist fighters have killed thousands of Ukrainians. Critics of the country’s newly elected president, Volodymyr Zelensky, seized on Taylor’s testimony as evidence that Zelensky’s team is running interference for Russia

The conversation Taylor described began when then-U.S. special envoy Kurt Volker urged the two Zelensky aides, Igor Novikov and Andriy Yermak, not to prosecute Petro Poroshenko, the country’s last president and Zelensky’s old rival. Poroshenko associates are linked to a huge military procurement scandal in Ukraine. 

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Taylor told congressional investigators that after Volker urged the two Ukrainians to steer clear of charging Poroshenko, they had an emotional response. 

“[T]hey responded, take a look at this,” Taylor said. Then he said that Yermak and Novikov showed Taylor and Volker pictures on their cellphones “of their relatives—one was a brother, one was a cousin—who had been killed or wounded in the east.”

“[T]hey said, Poroshenko is responsible for this,” Taylor told investigators.  

Taylor’s description of that comment has drawn little attention in American media (Novikov commented briefly on it to The Daily Beast last week). But it set off a significant controversy in Kyiv. Poroshenko allies seized on the testimony to say the Zelensky team was blaming the former president, Poroshenko, for the war in the east–and, in doing so, protecting Russia from accountability for the violent conflict.

“[Th]is testimony... puts the blame for the war against Ukraine on Ukraine, not on Russia,” said Iryna Herashchenko, one of Poroshenko’s allies in Ukraine’s parliament, according to Interfax

And now, Yermak is pushing back. 

“I have never said that Poroshenko is responsible for the start of the war in Donbass,” he told The Daily Beast in a statement. “What I said was, ‘No one is above the law.” 

He added, “Maybe I’m the wrong person to have this conversation with, since my family, like all other families in Ukraine, has been directly affected by this war.” 

Novikov, meanwhile, also described the conversation differently than Taylor did. 

“As far as I remember, there’s also a Kolomoisky reference in that section of Ambassador Taylor's testimony,” he said in a statement, referring to oligarch Ihor Kolomoisky, who owns the TV station where Zelensky had a show before running for president. “Let me say this (and I’m choosing my words very carefully here): I have never met Kolomoisky; my questions and emotions towards Poroshenko are to do with corruption—I don’t blame him for starting the war, and never have. Furthermore, our conversation centered around Kurt Volker's suggestion not to go after Poroshenko, and during this, as well as the subsequent meetings with Ambassador Taylor, I was consistent in my message: no one should be above the law.”

Novikov also indicated frustration that Taylor told Congress that he and Yermak had relatives fighting in the war with Russian-backed separatists. 

“I don't want to go into the details here, not to make the situation worse than it is,” he said. “Let's just say that this whole thing, the publicity, that was unnecessary and reckless.”

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