The X Change Rate: Dahlia Sin & James Charles
Hot off her historic "RuPaul’s Drag Race: All Stars" win, Monét X Change brings her very own talk show to BUILD Series. Sitting down to chat with the lovely Monét were drag queen Dahlia Sin and beauty YouTuber James Charles.
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MONET X CHANGE: Hey, y'all. What's good? It's your girl, Monet, and you're watching "The X Change Rate." Do you know how dinosaurs paid their bills? With Tyrannosaurus checks. Checks, right? You get it. Anyway, whatever.
We are officially on what feels like week of 417 of the 'rona, and I can safely say, fuck this shit. OK? I can't stop eating. My island was looted on "Animal Crossing" last night, and if I lose my Apple TV remote one more time, I'm selling that bitch for a Fire Stick.
I mean, I've been trying some expert opinions to help reduce anxiety, and a lot of this shit is just not for me. Meditating, organizing, exercising? You want me to exercise in my one bedroom New York City apartment? What is this, "Wreck It Ralph 3?"
I mean, I guess, when I really think about it, isolation hasn't been all negative. I've been really able to sit down, clear my mind, concentrate, and really find the center of a Louisiana crumb cake. I've also been catching up on a lot of Netflix, and I got two words for y'all hoes, "Tiger King." Yes, the documentary that will confirm all of your suspicions. White people crazy.
First of all, Carole Baskin did it. Number two, meth is one hell of a drug. And when-- number three, when in doubt, remember, Lady Bunny will always be a piece of shit. [LAUGHS]
We have a super fun show for y'all today, because of beauty guru and influencer supreme James Charles is here. And though her stay on season 12 was short lived, she's quickly becoming everyone's favorite fashion queen. We're also chatting with the gorgeous Dahlia Sin today. Thank you, my studio audience.
But without further ado, let's get into the gig, bitch. Hit it. [HUMMING] I miss the music. Everything feels very-- I don't know why I was just thinking-- what's that Beastie Boys? [HUMMING] Can we talk about this motherfucking look, though?
As y'all can see, the picture quality has improved, because we've figured out some things. We wanted to give y'all a fine, fresh, feminine, gorgeous "X Change Rate," so just go with us here, OK? So we're going to talk about a few stories. The first story I want to talk about, miss thing, miss thing, miss thing, is Bad Bunny.
Now, unless you have been living under a rock-- but to be fair, I had no idea who the Bad Bunny was before all of this started going down. Like, I had-- I had never even-- I knew nothing about Bad Bunny. I didn't know what-- I thought that was-- when people said Bad Bunny, I thought they were talking about them fluffy things you eat for Easter. I was like, no, I've never had a bad bunny. I don't like them.
But I was like, oh, it's an artist. So anyway, Bad Bunny is like-- like, I looked him up. You know when shit starts going down, you start going to the Instagram, the Twitter to find out-- to figure out people. And on this Instagram-- he's been famous for, like, a really long time. He's been doing, like, world-- like, sold out world tours, like, for a while, like a couple of years now. So I'm like, how have I never heard about this person?
But he's really big right now, because he just did a music video where he was, like, fully in geish. And bitch, I'm not talking about like he did like a smokey eye, and like a little lipstick, and some-- and some Ruby Woo coal liner. No, bitch. He was, like, in full drag. It was like, the wig, like-- not even-- not even a synthetic wig. A human hair moment. And he had those new chest pieces that people are wearing now where you can-- there's-- there's not that raggedy seamline here. Like, it's some-- bitch, that shit must be, like, behind his ears or something, because they look like titties, OK?
And, you know, people are talking about, is he queer baiting us? Is he just doing this for notoriety, and, like, to, like, make like a splash, and do whatever? And you know, I've been thinking about it a lot, and here are the facts, OK? Bad Bunny has always been a rule breaker. He's always, like, kind of, like, pushed the boundaries of, you know, what-- what people expect of him, which I think kind of all rappers do. All rappers are kind of like a big fuck you to, you know, a lot of shit.
But he's always-- he's also always been an outspoken LGBTQ ally. And he-- he identifies as straight currently. And I say currently, because sexuality and gender are-- are always evolving. I know we-- we're now putting labels on it, and we're now figuring it out more, but sexual-- sexuality and gender are always evolving. Who knows what he's going to be tomorrow, a year from now, next-- in five-- like, who knows?
But he's currently straight, and-- and he has spoken up for the LGBTQ community a lot. And he was most notably-- recently, before this, his drag look for his video, he-- he wore the name of the slain trans man from Puerto Rico when he did his performance on the Jimmy Fallon show. So he is, like-- you know, he's for the cause. He's for the culture. He's, like, really advocating for trans-- for our trans brothers and-- our trans brothers and sisters in the LGBT community. So he's really doing a good job on that.
And he has a song called "Yo Perreo Sola," which means I twerk alone. And it was, like, a really powerful message. At the-- at the end of it-- at the end of the video, it goes, if she doesn't want to dance with you, respect her. She twerks alone.
So you know, he's, like, speaking, like-- because we all know. We all been to the clubs. I mean, maybe you don't go to, like, the-- to the-- I've been up in the straight club, and you see a girl who's like just, living her life with her girls, dancing, twerking a little bit. And some nasty-ass motherfucker feels entitled to be like, oh, I want to get up in that. I want to dance on her. And she'll be like, nah. Chill. I don't want that.
So his song is basically saying, like, just because a girl is dancing at the club don't means she's inviting your dick to be rubbing up on the back of her to try to dance with her. Like, that's not where everybody's at. So-- so he is an advocate for women, for-- for the LGBTQ community. And I honestly don't feel like he's queer baiting.
I feel like, when these artist queer bait, there's something that tickles you in the back of your neck, and you're like, hm, this don't feel right. And I don't feel that from him. I feel like it is pretty honest, but it does show that-- that, when you see, like, a straight heteronormative person challenging gender norms, and challenging the binary, like, you see them celebrated more than queer people, like you and me, who do it all the time.
So but I don't think that's Bad Bunny's problem. I think that that's a societal thing. I think that Bad Bunny should be celebrated for his allyship, and people just need to, you know, check their biases with their-- with the queer phobia that they have. Like, yes, good for him for standing up for our community and doing all that, but we should recognize the-- the queer people who do it all the time, who aren't afraid to walk down 125th Street and Malcolm X Boulevard in a full dress, and earrings, and whatever.
You know what I mean? The people who are, like, very outspokenly queer and living their queer lives. Like, those people should be applauded, too. And I'm not saying that they're not, but I think-- I feel like hetero culture should accept that more and should recognize those heroes.
Yes, I'm happy for Bad Bunny. I'm happy he's doing this for our community, but let's also look at the people who do it every day, the people who aren't ashamed and afraid to walk out of their buildings, their apartments, down their streets, and be, bitch, just throwing the queer in everybody's face. You know what I'm saying? Just-- like, that's-- those people should be applauded, too.
So Bad Bunny, thank you for all you do, and thank you for your gender fluidity. And I don't think it's queer baiting. I don't-- I'm not getting that tickle. I'm not getting that little tickle right here that's like, but are you really, though?
Well, also, there's also that video on his Instagram where-- I don't know if y'all know. Y'all can tell me. Comment below. Is it his girlfriend? He's in the full drag look, and then the girl runs up on him, and she jumps, and they start, like, making out while he's in full drag. I don't know if his girlfriend-- it was a friend, but it was hot.
Also, he's fucking hot. If you-- his Instagram, that video that he was in the boxer, and he was like gyrating and shaking it up in the camera, I was like-- so Bad Bunny, yes, honey. [LAUGHS] The next thing. (SINGING) Baby, now we got bad blood. Bad Bunny-- bad-- he needs to do like a-- a bad bloody and feature me on it.
The next story I want to talk about is the whole Jeffree Star, Mason Disick thing. OK, now, if you don't know, Mason Disick is the son of Kourtney Kardashian and Scott Disick, which, by the way, do y'all know-- did y'all know-- did y'all se that clip of fucking Kourtney and Kim going at, and Kourtney molly wopping that hoe in her face?
It's everything. If you don't know, you need to watch Kourtney and Kim fighting, because they-- that was not acting, miss thing. They were going in. They were-- it was fucking bad girls cub Calabasas, OK?
She was like-- what was crazy was the open hand slap, the-- [SLAP]. It was crazy. Anyway, I digress.
So Mason Disick, he's Kourtney's-- he's Kourtney Kardashian's son. He's 10 years old. Now, he has-- he-- you know everybody be making-- he's 10 years old, and he's not supposed to-- he's not allowed to be on social media by his parents, but he snuck and made a TikTok account, and did a live broadcast with-- with a famous personality, Addison Rae.
And in the stream it was like-- it was something crazy. Like 60,000 people were watching 10-year-old Mason Disick and Addison Rae talking on IG live. And I'm James Charles posted in a-- in a-- in the thing. He was like, who is your favorite influencer? Who's your favorite beauty guru?
And of course, Mason was like, what's a beauty guru? And Addison was like, oh, someone who does makeup. Who do you think is fierce? And he was like, oh James Charles, obviously. And then he goes, because Jeffree Star is spoiled AF. For all of the old people out there, spoiled as fuck.
And you know Jeffree, so that everybody, of course, took that clip, were posting it all over Twitter, and tagging Jeffree, like, oh, Jeffree, whatcha gonna say? Yo mama. It was very bad.
So then Jeffree Star said this, bitch. I live. Jeffree Star goes in, and he says, I had $500 in my bank account six years ago. Maybe he's confused with his own privilege versus mine being self-made. Hopefully his father can educate him soon.
Now, I know some of y'all are like, wow, that was a lot for a 10 year old. It was like, no, fuck that. I was like, yeah, Jeffree, drop that little boy. It's-- that was a little-- that was a little much for a 10-year-old, but again, I think, like, the minimum age you can be on social media-- I mean, on Instagram-- correct me if I'm wrong-- is like, 13 years old, so maybe he thought he was 13.
And-- and also, I'm not about self-made. Yes, I get it. Mason comes from a very privileged family. The Kardashians, obviously. But he also has an-- I guess he'll never be in a situation where he has to be self-made. Although, when you're that rich-- like, let's say he's started like a-- I don't know-- a nail polish line or something.
Well, does that count as being self-made if you like-- does count as being self-made? Like even though Kyle Kar-- Kylie Jenner comes from the Kardashian clan, but her lip thing, and her lip kit, her makeup, like, blowing up like that, does that count as-- does that count as being self-made?
Just because you don't start from nothing, can you still be self-made? That's a good question. What do y'all think?
Yeah, so-- so Jeffree let him have it with that. Mason hasn't clapped back because when Kourtney Kardashian found out, she fucking took his phone. She deleted all of his social media. She was like, uh-uh. She got-- she got-- she got real-- she got real Armenian, honey. She was like, uh-uh, you're not having no social media. And I'm deleting all your shit, because she was like, he's not allowed to.
So we haven't-- and none of the Kardashians have clapped back at Jeffree for this comment. So-- but yeah, I think it's-- I think it's really interesting. And James Charles also hasn't commented-- commented-- commented on the situation. Today-- if I remember, I'll ask him about today, because I'm really curious what he thinks.
But he has-- but also James Charles has his own thing coming out, his-- his-- his Insta influencer show. It's-- it's coming out on YouTube April 24. It's for free, I believe, and it's a makeup influencer show. Bitch, we gonna-- I'm just gonna-- I'm gonna try to watch so I can get a fucking-- be a fucking YouTube influencer.
Would you watch it? I'm watching it. It's [INAUDIBLE].
And yeah, so that's that. Listen, I don't feel bad for none of these people. They're all fucking kajillionaires, and you and I are sitting up here making YouTube videos for threes and fours of people. So all these people-- Jeffree Star with his multimillions, Mason Disick and his multimillions, they'll be just fine. You and I got bigger shit to worry about.
Next story is-- oh, this is more on a serious note. FDA blood donation guidelines. OK, so I don't know who is watching this if you're up on your queer history, queer knowledge, a lot-- after the AIDS epidemic of the '80s, they, like-- they-- they passed federal laws prohibiting gay men from donating blood. And so this law has been in effect since the '80s or early '90s if-- if I'm not mistaken, where gay men cannot donate blood, and also the women who love sex with gay men, because of fears of HIV and et cetera.
But now, you know, lots of people-- there's-- there's been lots of people fighting and-- and combating this legislature so that-- to be like, this is such an antiquated view of blood donation. Like, we know now that, A, AIDS-- HIV-- HIV/AIDS is not a gay disease, contrary to y'all's stupid beliefs. And gay men should be allowed to donate blood.
And so this is still-- this is-- by the way, this was still in effect currently today when they just passed a rule-- they just passed an amendment to this rule saying that it is-- so this was the quote of the new one. "Previously that guideline stipulated that men who had sex with men and the women with sex with them were barred from donating blood or plasma if they had been sexually active in-- in the prior 12 months. A new-- a new announcement today shortens that deferral period by three months."
It should not be anything. It shouldn't be any-- there shouldn't be any stipulation. If gay men, or women who have sex with gay man, or men-- whatever-- if they want to donate blood, they should be able to donate blood. We-- first of all, y'all are not taking this blood straight from the person and transfusing it into someone. They're testing the blood. They do all this stuff, so I don't understand why we are still prohibiting while there is any deferment period.
It shouldn't be-- it shouldn't be a day. It shouldn't be a week. It should be the standard protocol and procedures of anyone donating blood. I don't understand this-- this discriminate-- this discriminatory practice to men who have sex with men and the women who have sex with those men. Why-- like, it is so crazy to me that we are still dealing with stuff like this in 2020.
It is ridiculous. It is gross. It's such a gross-- and it's just a way to marginalize queer people even more. It's like we-- we have-- our-- our technology has advanced way more than that, and we should know better.
Here are some other stats. One donation can save three lives, OK? One donation-- one person's donation of blood can save three lives.
Less than 38% of the population is eligible to give blood. So that's about 40% of our population-- I think-- what is it 40 million people in America? So 50% would be 20 million, so a little less 20, 40%. So about 18, 17 million people in our country cannot donate blood. Isn't that crazy?
And 45% of people in the US have a type O blood, the most requested type of hospitals. So I think that-- you know, and, of course, places like GLAAD have been advocating to change this law. And yes, this is-- I'm not-- I am acknowledging this is a step in the right direction, but it should be eradicated completely, and it should not be a thing at all.
And shout out to people like AOC and Carol-- Carolyn B. Maloney, who have written requests to change these guidelines, because as we know, AOC's a big LGBTQ advocate, and she's on "Drag Race" this week. So it'll be nice to see her, because we like politicians who are really for the culture and really for the cause. Like, we really respect that shit. We don't like the fake ones. I'm not going to say no names, but y'all know who. I just have to say. I am so beautiful. I have not done to cut crease in so long, and this should Chipotle burrito "Galaxy Quest" fantasy, bitch.
Oh, and the next story, NikkieTutorials. OK, so we did a story about this on the-- on the-- on the "X Change Rate" before when NikkieTutorials, you know, came out as being trans, because allegedly Too Faced cosmetics were, like, gonna, like, blackmail her about her trans identity. She was like, I'll talk about it myself.
So anyway, so long story short, after all that-- hey, studio audience. How are y'all doing? Some [INAUDIBLE]. When she came out as trans-- so long story short, she went on the Ellen DeGeneres show after it all blew up, and everyone was really supportive, really loving her. And she went on the Ellen DeGeneres show.
Now, I have to say this. Let me preface-- preface this story that I've heard many stories from friends in the industry and drag queens who have friends in the industry that say that Ellen DeGeneres is, like, the meanest person ever. And I don't know how to accept that information, because she always seems so great on her show. Like, she's so generous. She, like, gives people things all the time, and she seems like such a sweet lady, but apparently she, like-- she, like-- she doesn't allow a lot people to look her in the fucking eyes.
You can't talk to her. Ellen is like, don't fucking look at me, allegedly. I've never been there. I don't know, but that's allegedly how she is. So NikkieTutorials went on a show in the-- in the Netherlands, because she's from the-- she's from Amsterdam, I believe.
OK, so we have the clip of NikkieTutorials talking about the whole situation. We're gonna-- we're gonna-- let's-- let's put it up in this little corner right here. Ting! Is it here? Am I doing it? Or maybe it should be lower. [LAUGHS]
Look at that. That looks so good. All right, let's take a look at the clip in 3, 2, 1. And play.
- Must have been Ellen DeGeneres?
- [NON-ENGLISH SPEECH]
MONET X CHANGE: Read the subtitles. Subtitles.
- [NON-ENGLISH SPEECH]
MONET X CHANGE: Woo! See? So I mean-- I mean, NikkieTutorials-- also, the fact that she's talking about it so openly, bitch, Ellen gonna put a hit on her. You know Ellen is, like, one of the most powerful-- Ellen is white Oprah, honey. This bitch is a kajillionaire.
She has a lot of power. She has, like, a presidential freedom of-- a-- a Presidential Freedom Award and stuff. I'm nervous for Nikkie. But I would love to talk to her. Like, I want to, like-- I want to know, like, the details. I want to know, like, did you go to the dressing room, and was she like, get the fuck out?
Like, I want to know, like, how-- on, like, a scale of 1 to [INAUDIBLE]. I'm kidding. I'm kidding. I'm kidding. I love [INAUDIBLE].
On a scale of 1 to 10, like, how mean was she to her? Was it like, don't talk to me? Or like, was it, like, on some RuPaul, Pearl the cameras aren't rolling, bitch, I don't need to talk to you. Like, was it that interesting?
But anyway, those are the stories for today. If you think Ellen DeGeneres is mean, comment below. Again, I've never met her, so I can only go off of what people-- the stories I've heard, and now NikkieTutorials is talking about it on TV. So I-- I think maybe she might be. Hm. That's all the stories we have for today.
Since being in quarantine, drinking my feelings has become my favorite nightly routine. Reds, whites, Merlots, blancs, you name it! With so many options, how on earth can I pick? To help with our Cabernet fever, we've entrusted my good sis, Rose, to make things a little bit more palatable. Take a look.
ROSE: I love wine.
- (SINGING) Wine crush Wednesday, hosted by Rose.
- Hi, everyone. Welcome to the first week of a Wine Crush Wednesday. My name is Rose, and I am a lover of wine and a lover of-- I suck at that. I really wanted to start something every week, where I can just literally have something to do every week. Every week, I'll announce which bottle I'm going to review beforehand so that, if you have absolutely nothing to do, which would be sad, you can get the bottle and drink it with me.
J. Lohr caber-- Cabernet Sauvignon. It says 2016 on it, which was a very good year. I don't know if anybody remembered the video that kind of went semi viral of Kylie Jenner. 2016 is just, like, about-- it's about, like, just realizing things.
- Realizing stuff.
ROSE: Realize things.
- And everyone around me, we're all just, like, realizing things.
ROSE: Realizing.
- 2016, looking good.
ROSE: I'm excited to realize some things while drinking this, or maybe even, like, forget some things. Cool, so let's open it. I gotta say, like, the packaging is, like, a little bit confusing. (SINGING) Oh yeah. (DEEP VOICE) OK, squeeze it in, boy. (SINGING) My MC-- oh. [SINGS SCALES]
It's time for the first taste. I've seen a movie. Oh, fuck. [HARMONIZES] (SINGING) I went down to the river to pray. Just imagining that good old way. And I-- look at me through the glass. I'm like a fish. I'm so fucking fishy. Fuck you.
Oh, do taste it first. The reason that people put a little bit in first is just because-- just to, like-- in case, like, like, maybe you have a reputation of drinking too much. And so you're just like, no, no. The [INAUDIBLE] like-- it's just like a little-- then you just put, like, a little bit in, just so people don't think that you're about to get, like, wasted. Then you pour more.
And then they smell it. Yep. It's wine.
This is called tornado. You're actually, I think, supposed to, like-- get the teeth brown now. It's gonna happen. So this is a Cabernet Sauvignon, and that is French for the cabinets. OK, so-- our family wine growing and wine making passion is rooted in our sustainably farmed vineyards. The oak studded terroir-- terroir! I wonder what that means? I would look it up, but OK.
And calcareous-- calcareous soils? Listen, I don't know if any of y'all are gardeners, but if any of you can come over to me tomorrow and make my soils fucking calcareous, I will say thank you, because that sounds delicious. This is an excellent companion to grilled beef, lasagna, or dark chocolate.
So basically what they're saying is this wine should be consumed with a very hearty meal. Can you imagine just, like, going to an Italian restaurant being like, hey, like, I really want the J-- I really want the J. Lohr. Therefore, may I please-- to start out, can I please have some dark chocolate as an appetizer? And then for my soup and salad, I'll go with grilled beef. And then I'm not really hungry, so I'm going to skip my entree, but for dessert, how about some lasagna?
Government warning-- according to the Surgeon General, women should not drink alcoholic beverages during pregnancy. [LAUGHS] That is so stupid. Time for glass number two. [BURPS] I love wine. Anyway, this is super fun. And remember-- I forgot.
MONET X CHANGE: Ladies and gentlemen, we have the beauty guru extraordinaire, miss influencer of 2019, '20, and the rest of the years to come. James Charles is here.
JAMES CHARLES: Hi, sister. How are you?
MONET X CHANGE: Hey, sister, how are you doing?
JAMES CHARLES: I'm doing well. This whole quarantine situation is obviously really scary.
MONET X CHANGE: Girl.
JAMES CHARLES: But I'm very blessed and lucky to have a job that I can continue to do from home, so I've been getting a lot of work done, but I'd be very much lying if I said that I wasn't starting to get a little bit overwhelmed and just, like, spooked with everything going on.
MONET X CHANGE: Yeah, absolutely. And I mean, like, with all this stuff going on, do you have, like, your team staying at your home? Because you got a big-ass house. Or is your team, like, working remotely? Like, how is it all happening?
JAMES CHARLES: It's-- it's not too bad right now. I have one roommate that lives with me, and he happens to be my head of content. So he's kind of the one that oversees--
MONET X CHANGE: Word.
JAMES CHARLES: --like, all my social posts, like, all video ideas and stuff.
MONET X CHANGE: Word.
JAMES CHARLES: He also doesn't my videography. So if there's anybody to be stuck in quarantine with, it's definitely him, because we're still able to make everything happen. My assistant's been working from home, and my manager's been working from home, as well. We're a tiny little team, but I definitely am grateful for everybody, because we get shit done. And that's what really matters at the end of the day.
MONET X CHANGE: Yeah.
JAMES CHARLES: This quarantine has not put a stop to our work.
MONET X CHANGE: Well, I mean, I have to say, like, with your-- I mean, you have, like, 18 million subscribers on YouTube. People follow you on Twitter, Instagram. Your reach is wide. Like, people love you. It all came from CoverGirl.
How did that all happen? What was the transition? Was it a competition you won, or how did it all work out?
JAMES CHARLES: It wasn't a competition at all. I started doing makeup about four years ago now, and--
MONET X CHANGE: [INAUDIBLE]
JAMES CHARLES: I fell into makeup by accident, because I used to do girls' hair for, like, prom, and ball, and stuff at my high school.
MONET X CHANGE: For $5 and $10.
JAMES CHARLES: And it was for Halloween.
MONET X CHANGE: I remember that story.
JAMES CHARLES: Yes. Yes, yes, yes. And then I fell into makeup by accident on Halloween. I feel in love with it. I started posting photos on Instagram and stuff. They did, like, OK. And then, like, probably I would say, like, 250,000 followers in, I got reached out to by CoverGirl. And I was working with a manager at the time.
MONET X CHANGE: [INAUDIBLE]
JAMES CHARLES: And, you know, I literally just got an email being like, hey, CoverGirl reached out. Like, gonna have a phone call with them and just, like, see where it goes. And I was like, OK, sounds good. And then like a week later she's like, hey, so how do you feel like being the first ever male face of CoverGirl? And I was like, what?
MONET X CHANGE: Gag!
JAMES CHARLES: And you know what's-- it's so crazy, too, because even in that moment, like, I was obviously naive to everything going on in the industry and how everything really worked.
MONET X CHANGE: Yeah.
JAMES CHARLES: So I was so excited for the opportunity, but it didn't even really sink in that it was-- that was such a, like, crazy iconic thing, because I was grateful for the opportunity--
MONET X CHANGE: Yes, girl.
JAMES CHARLES: --regardless. Like, I was just grateful that I was getting to work with such a cool brand. But, like, once the news actually dropped that, like, I was the first ever male CoverGirl, like it didn't really sink in until all the media outlets were picking it up, and, like, everybody, like, all around the world was, like, talking about it.
MONET X CHANGE: Oh, you're [INAUDIBLE] history.
JAMES CHARLES: I was like, oh my god, this is, like, a way bigger deal than I thought. Yeah.
MONET X CHANGE: Yeah. You were the first, girl. You're like the RuPaul. You know what I'm saying? You're the first to do this major thing. It's iconic. Like, the male face of CoverGirl? That's crazy.
JAMES CHARLES: That's so crazy. To this day, I'm still so, so grateful for that partnership and that opportunity. It changed my life forever. It changed the beauty world forever. And like, just thinking about the fact that, like, one day that will probably be in history books, it's, like, so weird to me.
MONET X CHANGE: Fierce, very.
JAMES CHARLES: It's-- I'm just like-- I'm very grateful for the job and the life that I've had.
MONET X CHANGE: And now with your show, you're going to be giving that opportunity to younger influencers. And it is gonna be a really fierce show.
JAMES CHARLES: So the show is called-- the show is called "Instant Influencer," and it'll be streaming free on my YouTube channel on April 24.
MONET X CHANGE: Oh, it's for free?
JAMES CHARLES: It's for free, mama, and I'm so beyond excited--
MONET X CHANGE: Work, bitch.
JAMES CHARLES: --because my channel has been-- like I said, I've been doing this for about three-- I've been doing makeup for four years, YouTube for about three years now. And although my content is always makeup focused, I've never really been the one to care about tutorials or reviews. Like, they've-- they're just, like, not my thing.
So I've always been really trying hard to, like, do entertaining content, do funny content, things that, of course, are related to makeup and get people involved in wanting to feel creative and inspired. But most importantly, just laughing. Everybody thinking they can have a place where they can escape to, no matter what's going on in their life.
MONET X CHANGE: Love.
JAMES CHARLES: And because of that, like, I love production. I love behind the scenes stuff. I love lighting, and videography, and equipment, and just, like, taking my content to the next level.
MONET X CHANGE: Love.
JAMES CHARLES: So for me, doing a, like, full production show has always been, like, one of my biggest goals.
MONET X CHANGE: I love.
JAMES CHARLES: And I was trying to think of, like, what I could do, and there have been so many incredible competition shows. "RuPaul's Drag Race" being my personal favorite that I've seen every single season multiple times. And-- like, and that's always inspired me so much that I always wanted to do something like that, but I wanted to do something different. And there's been a lot of different makeup shows, but there hasn't been one that really focuses on what it takes to be an influencer.
MONET X CHANGE: Right.
JAMES CHARLES: And I feel like right now everybody and their mother, you know, wants to come on line and wants to be an influencer, because it's--
MONET X CHANGE: Bitch, everybody's been an influencer. People got a few follows on TikTok, on Instagram, they're like, I'm an influencer now, you know?
JAMES CHARLES: Well, it depends, because in reality, there is so much more that goes into being an influencer than what meets the eye. And that is really what the whole point of the show is-- is to test these young artists and see who has really what it takes to be a beauty superstar. It's-- so it's so much more than just putting on brown eyeshadow. We test their marketing--
MONET X CHANGE: Right.
JAMES CHARLES: --ability, how they work well on camera together, if they're able to sell product, if they're able to handle the stress of social media and stuff. So it's a full in-depth show, and, of course, there's drama, and there's eliminations. But it really focuses on educating both the contestants and the viewers about what it takes to be an influencer, and hopefully everybody watching will be able to take home insights and information that they wouldn't normally be able to get.
MONET X CHANGE: Yeah.
JAMES CHARLES: Like, and they can use that to, you know, do their job, and, you know, be better influencers than what they already are. So it's kind of like me wanting to pass on my knowledge, pass on my torch from what I've learned in the last several years. Of course, I've made a lot of mistakes, but I've definitely, you know--
MONET X CHANGE: Yeah.
JAMES CHARLES: --moved passed them and succeeded. And I'm just really excited for this opportunity. I cannot fucking wait. Excuse my language.
MONET X CHANGE: Bitch, you can curse.
JAMES CHARLES: Great! I cannot fucking wait, because we put our all into this. We put our love into it, and I think, most importantly, it's going to be such a positive thing for the community, which is exactly what we need right now.
MONET X CHANGE: Yeah. I mean, I also love the fact that y'all didn't, like, find people with, like, millions of followers. Like, only two of them have, like, more than 10 K. Like, y'all are really trying to get people who are no names, and give them an opportunity and a platform. I love that. That's good.
JAMES CHARLES: Absolutely. We wanted to really cast people that, like, represent the beauty industry. And the reality is that most people in the industry are, like, starting off really, really small. And of course, for this first season, we only were able to cast six contestants.
MONET X CHANGE: Yeah.
JAMES CHARLES: So as much as I would have loved to, there's no way that, you know, everybody in the beauty industry could possibly be represented in that small group of people, but it was really important that we highlighted smaller artists and brought--
MONET X CHANGE: Yeah.
JAMES CHARLES: Like, brought eyes to, you know, people that I think really, really deserve it. So we did hold an open casting call on YouTube, which was so cool, because thousands of people auditioned, and we were able to narrow it down to our final six.
MONET X CHANGE: [INAUDIBLE]
JAMES CHARLES: And I'm just really excited, and I just cannot wait. Hopefully we get picked up for season two and many other seasons after that, so we can continue to highlight the diversity in the beauty industry, all different types of artists, and just make it, like, a huge super, super positive thing, where new talent and new blood are constantly coming in and wanting to, you know, show what they got, and hopefully bring in some, like, new competition into the industry in the healthiest way possible.
MONET X CHANGE: Speaking of healthy, I want to talk about your little beef with Trinity. It-- I feel like it came out of nowhere. I woke up the next day, and I was like, what is happening? Trinity and James have this beef? Like, what happened? That's my Twitter.
I love Trinity to death, but she got wild. I was like, damn, girl. What's the D?
JAMES CHARLES: It was so weird. I-- like I said, I've watched every single season--
MONET X CHANGE: Are you guys still friends?
JAMES CHARLES: We-- we were never friends.
MONET X CHANGE: Got it, OK. OK.
JAMES CHARLES: So I've watched every single season of "Drag Race," like, twice. I'm obsessed with the show. I love a lot of queens from the show, including her. She was honestly one of my favorites, so, like, this whole situation was just honestly really disappointing.
MONET X CHANGE: Yeah.
JAMES CHARLES: But I just, like, got bored and tweeted a few days ago, like, tested positive for having a fat ass, because, like, everyone's been making corona jokes. And obviously with everything going on in the world right now, sometimes in order to get through these type of things--
MONET X CHANGE: Everyone's trying to laugh.
JAMES CHARLES: It's just laugh and have a good time. And I, like, woke up in the morning, and she had tweeted back being like, who diagnosed you, Helen Keller? And I, like, giggled a little bit, but I was also, like, hm, this, like, feels-- this, like, feels a little bit-- I don't know-- I didn't really know what to read it as, so I wanted to assume that it was just a playful joke.
I clapped back, and it did not go well. She obviously was very angered by it and continued hitting back. And I wanted to, you know, just, like, peace out. I said that I loved her. I said that I had respect for her, and I had no interest in fighting.
She continued going on on Twitter all day long, which I still don't know why. She said that she hated me, and then tried to say that it was a joke at the same time. So I'm like, great. Regardless, I still love what she does. I have a lot of respect for her.
MONET X CHANGE: Yeah.
JAMES CHARLES: She's one of my favorite queens to ever walk the stage. The situation was disappointing, but at the end of the day, it's just Twitter, and words can always get twisted and stuff. So I try not to take it to heart.
MONET X CHANGE: Down, girl. I know. As some who's been canceled, I know. You don't fuck, girl. James Charles is like, oh, you want to play that game? Here are the receipts. I got them right here. I'll-- I'll-- I'll show them. I don't give a fuck. I'd be like, work. [LAUGHS]
Well, you know, that was the first I met you-- was at-- was at New York City DragCon. And I had no idea you were in drag, because I had seen-- I had seen you, obviously, as a boy. And then-- but you came in with this blonde wig, and you look gorgeous. And I was like, who is this girl?
And I was like, oh shit, it's fucking James Charles, girl, right here in my face. Would you-- would you ever do the drag thing seriously? Would you ever, like, give us a lip sync, like-- or is it just only for some-- for aesthetics?
JAMES CHARLES: I would love to. Like I said, drag has been such a huge source of inspiration for me. I have learned so much about makeup from drag queens. Like I said, I love the show. So I have done, like, drag looks or transformations a few different times on my channel. That video-- or you saw me in person when I was filming, like, my first ever like full drag transformation, which was so fun.
MONET X CHANGE: Yes!
JAMES CHARLES: I am literally the worst dancer ever, so I probably-- I don't know about doing, like, a full lip sync. However, I do sing. I don't think I'm amazing at it, but based on some of the queens that have sang live on the show, I think I could give the girls, you know, a little [INAUDIBLE].
MONET X CHANGE: I think that was a little Monet X Change shade you just threw me. I saw that hot-ass mess of all-stars, girl.
JAMES CHARLES: So it would not be something that I'm opposed to. I have so much respect for the art form, but at the same time, it's not something that I go through on a daily basis. Like, there's so much obviously that goes into drag, and I've tiptoed around it a few different times. And I've, you know, dipped my feet in the water because I do love it so much, but I don't know. I would love to be a judge on "Drag Race." like, that would be--
MONET X CHANGE: Yeah, how has that not happened yet?
JAMES CHARLES: --like, my everything.
MONET X CHANGE: How have you not been a judge on Drag-- like, I just--
JAMES CHARLES: I don't know.
MONET X CHANGE: That seems weird to me.
JAMES CHARLES: I don't know, I don't know, I don't know. I really want it to happen. I have, like-- [INAUDIBLE] followed me and is like DM'd about it a few times before, but, like, the conversation never went anywhere, which really sucks. It seems like I don't think they've actually had, like, any, like, internet personalities ever on it.
MONET X CHANGE: Yeah, I can't think of any. I can't-- I can't think of any, like, [INAUDIBLE].
JAMES CHARLES: Obviously, Todrick is, like--
MONET X CHANGE: Well, Todrick.
JAMES CHARLES: Obviously Todrick comes from YouTube, but he's, like, established outside of the YouTube world.
MONET X CHANGE: Yeah.
JAMES CHARLES: And then Troye Sivan used to be a famous YouTuber, but now he's a famous musician.
MONET X CHANGE: Was he?
JAMES CHARLES: Yeah, Troye Sivan started off on YouTube.
MONET X CHANGE: Oh, I had no idea.
JAMES CHARLES: Yeah, most people don't, because he's so talented. And, like, he's, like, made a name for himself outside, which is incredible.
MONET X CHANGE: Yeah, damn.
JAMES CHARLES: Obviously that's the goal for all of us, but, yeah, I-- I would love to do it more than anything, but it just hasn't happened yet.
MONET X CHANGE: Yeah.
JAMES CHARLES: But I'm ready for the call at any time.
MONET X CHANGE: [LAUGHS] Well, also, and I just want to say, girl-- and for you being so young, and you handling all-- you-- you-- you handle-- you know, people try to come at you sideways a lot, and you handle all of it with, like, grace and class. And you always try to be as respectful as possible.
Especially because-- for someone like me, as well. I know I've been cancelled for doing stuff I didn't even know that I was getting in trouble for. I'm like, oh.
JAMES CHARLES: Right.
MONET X CHANGE: You always-- you always just rise above it. You just keep on shining, girl. So keep on shining, bitch.
JAMES CHARLES: Thank you.
MONET X CHANGE: Love you.
JAMES CHARLES: Thank you. I really try.
MONET X CHANGE: [INAUDIBLE]
JAMES CHARLES: Like I said, I'm really grateful for the platform that I have, and, you know, of course, like, I started off with this when I was 16. I'm 20 now. I'm turning 21 soon.
MONET X CHANGE: Gag!
JAMES CHARLES: Not looking forward to that.
MONET X CHANGE: I cannot believe you are not even 21 yet, James. I am gagged.
JAMES CHARLES: Me either. I think about it every day, but, you know, it's just been, like, a learning experience. And we're all human beings at the end of the day, and everybody learns and grows, no matter how old they are. And, you know, I-- I would say that learning in front of the public eye has been both a-- you know, a great experience, and also a not so great experience at times.
MONET X CHANGE: Yeah.
JAMES CHARLES: I definitely feel like I have been, you know, really molded into a really strong and good person, and I'm really grateful for that in a way. Obviously there's been times where it's really affected my mental health, and I'd be lying if I said that it didn't. But at the end of the day, like, I am proud of the person that I've become through doing this job.
And I'm really proud to be a role model in front of millions and millions of kids. And it's like it's unrealistic to think that people will never make mistakes and will never grow, no matter what platform they have. So I own it. I have no problem talking about it, and, like, [INAUDIBLE] the stuff that I do wrong. And the only thing you can do is just, like, learn and do better in the future. So that's, like, the way that I look at things.
MONET X CHANGE: Yeah. Well, also, I feel like if you-- if you really wanted to fuck with the kids and get the [INAUDIBLE] you and fucking Tati should drop a collab tomorrow, and people would be like--
JAMES CHARLES: Oh, gosh.
MONET X CHANGE: You're like, absolutely not. [LAUGHS]
JAMES CHARLES: Luckily we're on quarantine, so I will not be doing any collaborations for a little bit.
MONET X CHANGE: I mean, we need-- we need another morphe palette. You know I'm wearing your pink for your morphe palette right here. It shows up so good.
JAMES CHARLES: Are you really?
MONET X CHANGE: Yeah, because it shows up so good on black skin. And because-- here's the thing. As a black-- as someone who-- as a black person who wears makeup, it is so hard to find-- and no shade to any of the other people out there. I'm not trying to shade anyone. I'm just saying, in my personal experience, it's so hard to find colors that show up on dark skin. And your morphe palette is-- comes-- bitch, the pigment is-- it really gets popping on the chocolate, so I appreciate that.
JAMES CHARLES: Thank you. Thank you, thank you, thank you. I've had so many of my favorite queens tell me that they've, like, worn my palette or bring it with them on tour all the time, which literally warms my hear. Like, oh.
Literally, like, when we were doing the campaign, like, I had talked about so many times in interviews and stuff how it was really important to me that, like, a mom in Nebraska could pick it up and do like a light glam look for her night on the town. Or, like, a full on drag queen could pick it up in the middle of New York City and do like a rainbow cut crease. So like, it's-- it-- it makes me really, really happy that-- that marketing tactic did work, and that is the reality of, you know, everybody that has it in their hand. So thank you for saying that. That makes me so happy.
MONET X CHANGE: Of course, well, you know, I-- I first tried it when I was-- I was on Christmas tour with Miz Cracker. Miz Cracker had it. And I tried some-- I tried the blue one, and I was like, oh, this is good. So I stole it for like three shows. And she didn't know I had it, and then I had to eventually give it back, but Miz Cracker exposed me to the James Charles magic-osity with the palette. So again, thank you girl.
JAMES CHARLES: I love her. I love, love, love her.
MONET X CHANGE: Looks good. She's all right.
JAMES CHARLES: Of course.
MONET X CHANGE: But James, thank you so much for chatting with me today. This was such a good conversation. Again, I love you. I think you're inspiring, and you keep on shining, and you keep on pressing forward, even though when the haters be trying to fucking tear you apart.
JAMES CHARLES: Thank you, Monet. I love you so much.
MONET X CHANGE: Welcome.
JAMES CHARLES: You're one of my favorite queens ever, and I appreciate you having me on the show.
MONET X CHANGE: Of course, baby. And then, of course, when this is all over, please come in studio so we can do the interview where we play games and do all that fun stuff.
JAMES CHARLES: I'm so down.
MONET X CHANGE: It'll be so-- I always have so much fun with the guests in the studio.
JAMES CHARLES: I am so down. As soon as this is all over, I have a lot of different things planned, a lot of different things that I had to cancel. And New York-- a New York trip is definitely one of them. So I will be there. Count on it.
MONET X CHANGE: OK, we're going to do it. All right, baby, have a good corona. I'll see you on the other side.
JAMES CHARLES: You, too, sister. Stay safe and wash your hands.
MONET X CHANGE: OK, I will, girl. Bye, babe.
JAMES CHARLES: Bye.
MONET X CHANGE: We've had a lot of celebrity guests on this show, and sometimes we like to trap them in a room and ask them unsolicited questions about money.
- I'd hug everybody. I'd just give everybody hugs, because that's what the currency-- I have a four-year-old daughter, and that's what our currency is. She doesn't care about money. She cares about if I'm hugging her or not. So I'll just start hugging people until they hit me.
I was-- worked as a-- a ball boy at the US Open, and a court attendant at the US Open tennis center in Queens. And that was kind of a wild job to just have New York City kids around elite tennis athletes, who are just cursing and tell them to go fuck themselves. And it was like, you know, these guys are million dollar athletes, but we just didn't care because we were dirtbags from Brooklyn.
I bought my home last year in Brooklyn, right close to my kid. I have-- I own a home, and I bought a Lovesac, which is nice. I mean, am I supposed to say Harriet Tubman? Because that's-- that's what my vote is. I have-- listen, I know that I look like an undercover cop. I'm telling you, I'm one of the good whites, OK?
So whatever I'm supposed to say, that's the answer, but also know that I would like to put-- Andrew-- Andrew Jackson's out. Who would I want to put on the $20? I'd like to put-- the $20 bill. Let's see, because what do I use $20s for? What am I mostly buying-- maybe I'd like to put-- you buy weed with $20s. Who should we put-- Bob Marley. That's who I want to put on the $20.
The Chinese yuan, US dollar, Canadian dollar, a-- the loonie, which is a Canadian dollar, a euro, and a-- an a-- a euro and a-- a-- a franc. Money can't buy you happiness, but it can buy you condoms, which you should be using, because I just got over chlamydia. Knowing that you're chlamydia-free is priceless.
MONET X CHANGE: Ladies and gentlemen, she is the sexiest drag queen alive. Oozing-- literally-- literally oozing sex appeal everywhere she goes. The gorgeous, the stunning, we Ms. Dahlia Sin.
DAHLIA SIN: What's up, Monet?
MONET X CHANGE: How are you doing, girl?
DAHLIA SIN: I'm good. You know, living my life in quarantine.
MONET X CHANGE: I know. I know. Listen, I-- I said this to Mickey last week. I was like, this has to fucking suck for y'all to go through the-- feeling "Drag Race," doing the whole thing, waiting for the whole shebang, and then not being able to come out and make your motherfucking money, and doing the gigs, and the tours, and shit.
DAHLIA SIN: Girl, literally, like, it sucks, because we, like-- we get off the show. We come back, and we, like-- you know, we're gonna expect to, like, tour, and, you know, meet everybody, but now we stuck in, you know, this bullshit. But, like--
MONET X CHANGE: Not--
DAHLIA SIN: I mean, I'm kind of a loner as it is, so, like, I'm kind of like-- I'm, like-- well, I'm not a full loner, but, like, I have my moments where I'm a loner, because I'm, like, a tourist. So like--
MONET X CHANGE: Oh, down.
DAHLIA SIN: I just-- like, I don't mind it sometimes, but this is getting ridiculous. Like, girl [INAUDIBLE].
MONET X CHANGE: I know. I-- wait, wait. So right now, are you in New York, or are you in LA?
DAHLIA SIN: I'm in New York right now. I'm stuck here.
MONET X CHANGE: You're stuck in New York, right? Because you can't get to LA.
DAHLIA SIN: Yeah.
MONET X CHANGE: Because I knew you-- I know you as a New York queen. And then you fucking up and left us, and went to LA, bitch.
DAHLIA SIN: No, yeah.
MONET X CHANGE: How dare you?
DAHLIA SIN: I wanted to move because I was like, girl, I've been in New York forever. I'm like, I want to try something new. I want to, like, branch out from my house, and try and see what it is like in another state, especially California, since, like, I already had love there. So I was like, let me go to LA for a little bit. I was only going to move there for, like, you know, a few months. Bitch, I ended up staying for two years. So it's been two years now, girl.
MONET X CHANGE: OK, now I'm trying to find the story. So you were-- so you're born and raised in Michigan. And then you moved to New York when you were like 18, 19?
DAHLIA SIN: When I was 18, I moved to New York, and I was here for like two years. And then I moved to San Francisco and then came back after like a year.
MONET X CHANGE: Oh.
DAHLIA SIN: And then-- and then I've been in New York ever since. So I was in New York for about six years, and then I moved to LA.
MONET X CHANGE: Work. And then how did you-- how did you get connected with Aja? And how did you, like-- like, were you going out? And you were like, oh, this bitch is fierce? [INAUDIBLE]. How did-- how did the-- how did the formation of-- of your drag family happen? Because I-- I don't know, like, the details of it. I'm so-- I think it's so interesting.
DAHLIA SIN: So I met Momo on Facebook, and I was visiting--
MONET X CHANGE: Oh, right, Momo.
DAHLIA SIN: Mhm, I was visiting in Rhode Island. I don't know why I was In Rhode Island, but I was in Rhode Island.
MONET X CHANGE: Rhode Island, no, girl!
DAHLIA SIN: I was in Rhode Island. I don't know why I was in Rhode Island. I can't even remember. It was so fucking long ago, but I was there, and I had met Momo on Facebook. She was like, girl, you should stop in New York. It's not-- I mean, like, you could just stop in Brooklyn. It's not that close. I mean, because, like, I had talked to her, like, on and off for, like, a while.
MONET X CHANGE: Yeah.
DAHLIA SIN: And I knew Aja a little bit through Momo.
MONET X CHANGE: Got you.
DAHLIA SIN: So I went, and I visited, and then I was like-- so we, like, just started talking and stuff. And then bitch-- like, a few months later, I was like, bitch, I'm moving. And so I moved there, and I ended up being their roommate.
MONET X CHANGE: Work.
DAHLIA SIN: And Aja was like, girl, we gotta put you in drag one day. And I'm like, bitch, ew. I'm like, I am not being a drag queen. And she was like, come on. You have, like, the perfect face for a drag queen, and, like, you have, like, good eyebrows.
MONET X CHANGE: Down. Facts, though. Facts, bitch.
DAHLIA SIN: I'm like, not the eyebrows.
MONET X CHANGE: [LAUGHS]
DAHLIA SIN: So she--
MONET X CHANGE: And then-- and the rest is history.
DAHLIA SIN: So she put me in drag, and it was at-- do you remember the-- the-- the show Bath Salts in Brooklyn at-- I forget the name of the bar.
MONET X CHANGE: At Sugarland?
DAHLIA SIN: Yeah, there as a--
MONET X CHANGE: TNT?
DAHLIA SIN: It wasn't TNT. It was-- it was off of Flushing, I think. And it-- it's not there anymore. I think the little bar was called, like, Don Pedro's or something like that. And they had one drag show once a week--
MONET X CHANGE: Work.
DAHLIA SIN: --and it was a straight bar. And that was the first time I did drag. It was that time.
MONET X CHANGE: Work, bitch. And now look at you. All the way-- all the way to season 12. Now-- now, I-- so here's the thing. So you, kind of like Nicky Doll, I feel like you branded yourself as a fashion queen, but in that first episode you were on, Dahlia, you were so fucking funny. I even tweeted about it.
I said, Dahlia is giving us really funny confessionals. You were like-- I feel like it's-- you're one of the people-- again, you-- you're a fashion queen, but I feel like you're so much more than that. Did you--
DAHLIA SIN: Yeah.
MONET X CHANGE: Did you-- did you know you were funny, or are you like, I'm just talking, having a good time, whatever happens, happens?
DAHLIA SIN: Well, yeah, I mean, like, I think I'm a funny person. I'm not, OK, like, obviously, hello, improv knocked me down. But, like, I think I'm a-- I'm a funny person, you know, just speaking. I'm not a funny person when it comes to improv when you're having to, you know-- you know, like, talk after someone and being like--
MONET X CHANGE: Right.
DAHLIA SIN: I'm just like a deer in headlights, bitch. I am not the bitch at improv. So, like, yeah. I'm a funny person, so, like, people were like-- I just hope, like, that they weren't, like, saying, like, bitch, she's only a fashion queen. I'm like, [INAUDIBLE]?
MONET X CHANGE: No. You are very-- you are very funny. You are very funny. And then-- and then sexy broccoli came over, girl--
DAHLIA SIN: Oh my god.
MONET X CHANGE: --and tried to-- and tried to take your juj, which-- but by the way, though, you may have left a few episodes ago, but you were in-- you've been in, like, every episode since with the sexy broccoli. Do you-- do you absolutely hate broccoli? Are you more of a cauliflower queen now?
DAHLIA SIN: Not not the cauliflower. No. I mean, I still like broccoli. I don't eat it anymore. [LAUGHS]
MONET X CHANGE: [LAUGHS] And also, I'm so happy that you photograph all your looks, because Dahlia, I have to say, that fucking ice cream look would've hands down been the best look on-- on-- for that challenge. And I mean-- and you were-- you were planning to do-- first of all, how did you conceptualize the look?
Did you go to the designer? Was it a collaborative thing? How did that look come about? Because it is stunning.
DAHLIA SIN: Yeah, it was always one of my favorite looks, sot that-- that was the main, the one look that was like, fuck. I didn't get to show it on the runway--
MONET X CHANGE: Girl.
DAHLIA SIN: --because it was like my favorite look going in there, and it took up literally one big-ass suitcase.
MONET X CHANGE: Oh, it looks so campy, and it looked so well done.
DAHLIA SIN: So I was like, bitch, I'm gonna be a motherfucking ice cream.
MONET X CHANGE: Down, bitch.
DAHLIA SIN: So [INAUDIBLE] my designer, Rey Ortiz, in LA. And I just told him the idea I waned, and I said I wanted it very campy, but I also want it very, like, you know, still fashion. Like, I want it--
MONET X CHANGE: Yes. Yes, yes, yes.
DAHLIA SIN: You know, still you can see it on the runway. So he was like, I got you, girl. And then he sent me back, like, maybe like a week later a whole sketch of it. And I said, bitch, this is sickening. And then we went with it.
MONET X CHANGE: Yes, girl. Love. And also, I mean, because-- and I have to say, like, I feel like a lot of your fashion then. So my opinion is that, even though season three was so long ago, you look back at Raja's runways, and they're still fierce. They're still fashion. They're still iconic. Whereas some people, in the moment, you were like, work. You look back, and you're like, oh, what was I thinking?
DAHLIA SIN: Right.
MONET X CHANGE: And I feel like you had that thing. Like your-- your fall-- the black feather fantasy with, like, the spit curls you had everywhere-- to me, I could look at that 10 years from now, and I'll be like, this was still a fierce look.
DAHLIA SIN: Oh, yes.
MONET X CHANGE: The ice cream look, still a fierce look. Your cape one, still a fierce look. And you know, and-- and I have heard that you thought that I was being shady when the cast first came out, but, like, we didn't really, like, work together in New York a lot. I-- I--
DAHLIA SIN: Yeah.
MONET X CHANGE: I saw you maybe once or twice. I wasn't throwing shade. I was just like, I don't even know Dahlia super well.
DAHLIA SIN: Well, I didn't think you was being shady.
MONET X CHANGE: OK, all right.
DAHLIA SIN: I didn't think you was being, shady, girl.
MONET X CHANGE: Yeah, yeah. I live. I live. I live. What do you think-- I've been asking the girls this-- what do you think your stamp on drag is gonna be? Now that you've done "Drag Race," like-- like, what do you-- going forward, what-- like, what do you see your thing is-- people are gonna be like, oh, I know Dahlia for that. Like, you think of [INAUDIBLE] you feel like stand up. You think Bob, you Trixie. They have their thing. What do you think your thing is gonna be for drag?
DAHLIA SIN: Well, I hope to be known just for, like, just some-- some goofy, crazy bitch.
MONET X CHANGE: Yeah.
DAHLIA SIN: Or just-- and just-- just my fashion. Like, I just-- because I like to take a whole different spin on fashion, and, like, how I do it, and how I represent it, and, like, how I put it out to the world. So, like, hopefully, like, especially with the next looks that are going to come out, like, you see, like, bitch, you shouldn't have sent me home, girl.
MONET X CHANGE: [LAUGHS] You know, I have to ask you. So everyone wants to know, when you left the-- when you left the main stage-- and I can attest to this. When you leave the main stage, girl, you're like-- you feel like you-- you feel like shit. When I got eliminated, I was like, I feel like the shittiest person. Fuck all these motherfuckers.
DAHLIA SIN: Right.
MONET X CHANGE: I hate RuPaul. Michelle can suck my big fucking toe.
DAHLIA SIN: Literally.
MONET X CHANGE: What was going through your mind?
DAHLIA SIN: So literally when I got eliminated, the first thing I was going to do, which I was going to walk to the back. I was going to turn around, and I was going to scream [INAUDIBLE]! Like, I was gonna scream it from the top of the my lungs.
MONET X CHANGE: [LAUGHS] That is everything.
DAHLIA SIN: The next thing was, bitch, I'm just walking out because I'm already pissed. I'm mad, girl. I was like-- I was so mad.
MONET X CHANGE: It was good. I mean, again, but it made-- it made an iconic moment, and I think that you're also someone, like-- you're showing, like, it wasn't, like, a premeditated thing. It was, like, how you felt in the moment. And because of that, the fans feel that, and they're like, it's sincere. It's honest. She was fucking pissed. And she-- and she didn't want to say bye to these hoes. Fuck them.
DAHLIA SIN: Yeah, literally people were like, girl, that's so disrespectful to RuPaul. I'm like, honey, this was in the moment. This is how I felt. It's not disrespectful to RuPaul. It's how I felt in the moment and the fact that I was being eliminated when I know I shouldn't have been eliminated.
MONET X CHANGE: Right.
DAHLIA SIN: So it was just how I felt in the moment. Yes, of course, I felt bad after, and I was like, bitch, I maybe shouldn't have done that. Like, me walking in the back and me talking to people. And I'm like, maybe I shouldn't have done that. And plus, I felt bad for all the girls because I was, like, I wanted to say goodbye to them, like, you know, kind of like in a cuter way.
MONET X CHANGE: Right.
DAHLIA SIN: But, bitch, I was mad, so I did what I did.
MONET X CHANGE: Absolutely. And I stan, girl. Do-- listen, you do not explain yourself to people.
DAHLIA SIN: Right.
MONET X CHANGE: Only 160-something of us know what it feels like to be eliminated.
DAHLIA SIN: Right.
MONET X CHANGE: And we are entitled to those feelings and those emotions in that moment, OK?
DAHLIA SIN: Literally.
MONET X CHANGE: Yeah. Now, also, when are we going to get the tutorial? First of all, I want to see you put your-- put your twin brother in drag. And I want to get-- you know, what are those twins? Because both of y'all are super hot. The Clermont twins. Do you know the Clermont twins?
DAHLIA SIN: Yes! I love the Clermont twins.
MONET X CHANGE: I need a Dahlia-- I need a Dahlia and her-- and her brother, Clermont twins moment.
DAHLIA SIN: Well, we're-- I'm like-- it's been in the works. Like, he's been practicing his makeup. Like, he's been, like, trying-- because I'm like, girl, when you learn face, then I'll teach you, like, more about drag, but it's, like, literally impossible, because he lives in Arizona with the rest of my family. So I'm like, bitch, learn your face over there. Like, learn your face. Once you learn your face, then I will put you in drag. But also, like, quarantine happened, so it's literally impossible--
MONET X CHANGE: I know.
DAHLIA SIN: --to over there and, like, you know, have this big photo shoot with him, because it's like, bitch, I can't go anywhere.
MONET X CHANGE: True. True. Well, listen, as soon as quarantine is done, we want some-- because I mean, we all know that Dahlia Sin, you ooze sex appeal, and I'm sure your brother will, as well. So you want to see the-- a little viral Clermont twins, Dahlia sin moment.
DAHLIA SIN: Well, it's gonna happen, baby.
MONET X CHANGE: I live, I live. Well, listen, Dahlia, listen. Thank you for chatting in today. I fucking love you, girl. You-- I know, again, it sucks to go home first, but you did a-- you've done a great job on the season. You're showing us these fucking fierce-ass looks. Keep on stunning us.
DAHLIA SIN: Thank you.
MONET X CHANGE: And after-- after quarantine, we can-- we can have a proper kiki.
DAHLIA SIN: Girl, literally, and-- but if we have a proper kiki, I want that wig.
MONET X CHANGE: [LAUGHS] Well, you know, I don't have too many nice wigs. I was like, I'll talk to Dahlia. Let me throw on something nice, honey.
DAHLIA SIN: It's so [INAUDIBLE] bitch. I want it.
MONET X CHANGE: Thank you. My dear, enjoy-- enjoy the rest of corona.
DAHLIA SIN: Oh, girl.
MONET X CHANGE: And hopefully I will see you on the other side.
DAHLIA SIN: Yes, thank you, babes.
MONET X CHANGE: OK, my dear, have a good day.
DAHLIA SIN: Bye, babe. Love you.
MONET X CHANGE: Love you, babe. Thank you all so much for tuning in to "The X Change Rate" today. Until next time, stay home, wash your hands, and remember to always keep your currency in check. Peace!
