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    Could Obama’s jobs bill help end jobless benefits as we know them?

    Unemployed workers at a Los Angeles-area employment center. AP Photo/Damian Dovargane …A popular idea in President Obama's new jobs bill could represent a step toward fundamentally transforming the existing system of federal jobless benefits. Some critics say such a move is long overdue--but others worry that a major overhaul could threaten a program that since the Depression has been a core component of the social safety net.

    Obama's jobs measure, sent to Congress Monday, contains a provision that would encourage states to replicate a voluntary Georgia program that allows jobless workers to continue collecting unemployment benefits while training with potential employers. (Last month, we looked at how effective the Georgia program has been.)

    The initiative was one of the few from the president's plan that drew an enthusiastic response from Republicans. After Obama talked up the idea in his speech to Congress last week, Rep. Eric Cantor of Virginia, the number two Republican in the House, noted in response that it had originally come from the GOP, and called it "something that we should be able to get to work on right away."

    But Cantor and his party seem to see the idea as more than a short-term fix for unemployment. He described the proposed overhaul as "reforming the unemployment benefit program in this country"--a goal Obama had not mentioned in his speech. And Cantor used similar language when first pushing the idea back in 2009 in a jobs plan of his own (pdf), calling on Washington to "reform the unemployment system."

    So if, as looks likely, Congress passes a version of the idea, at least one party will view it as a step toward radically transforming the system. How? Currently, jobless benefits are treated as a temporary lifeline for those who can't find work. But those advocating a new approach to disbursing jobless benefits want them to be linked more closely to work or training. The idea--similar to the thinking behind the 1996 welfare reform law--is to encourage the jobless to remain productive, and to keep them connected with the workforce. One major backer of an overhaul--and of the Georgia program specifically--is the American Institute for Full Employment, an Oregon-based group that helps states re-fashion both their welfare and jobless benefit programs with those ideas in mind.

    The debate also resembles the one that took place over President Bush's failed 2005 effort to turn Social Security into a system of private accounts. Supporters of the idea presented it as a way to update the program for the 21st century, while opponents warned that it could jeopardize the system's long-term future. But for several reasons, jobless benefits lack the almost sacred "third rail" status that Social Security enjoys, so a concerted effort to transform unemployment insurance could ultimately prove more successful.

    Advocates of change say the current system, which was created in the 1930s in response to the Great Depression, is poorly suited to today's information-age economy. "The unemployment security system is overwhelmed, underfunded, and in many ways obsolete," Michael Thurmond, who developed and implemented Georgia Works over the last decade when he served as the state's labor commissioner, told The Lookout. "So the question is: How can we re-envision this unemployment security system to address the 21st century issues that we face today? And Georgia Works is part of that."

    At the heart of the effort is a debate about the cause of the current jobs crisis, in which nearly 14 million Americans are officially unemployed, and more than 6 million have been jobless for more than six months. Many economists say the jobless crisis arises from a simple lack of demand from employers. But Thurmond and others argue that today, part of the problem is structural--an inefficient system for linking the jobless to openings. That "friction" is in part what an overhaul would aim to fix, by linking the jobless with potential employers.

    "What this does is reconnect particularly the long-term unemployed with the workplace," said Thurmond, a Democrat who ran unsuccessfully last year for a U.S. Senate seat.

    There's also a fiscal payoff. By moving people off unemployment benefits more quickly, the program aims to lower the cost of unemployment insurance for states and the federal government. At least nine states recently began cutting jobless benefits to save money.

    It's not clear that such voluntary programs like Georgia Works can attract enough participants--workers or employers--to have a major impact, even if applied nationally. As we reported, only 700 Georgians a year have found jobs through Georgia Works since it launched in 2003.

    But some advocates for the jobless raise a more basic concern. To them, the idea of connecting jobless benefits to work-training programs run by potential employers represents a slippery slope that could undermine the system over the long term.

    In recent years, some states have instituted "Work First" programs, which place many recipients of welfare, food stamps, and other benefits into work or work-training programs. Maurice Emsellem, an expert on unemployment insurance at the National Employment Law Project, a labor-backed group, told The Lookout that he views Georgia Works and similar programs as a step toward applying that concept to jobless benefits.

    "It's kind of moving in the direction of Work First programs," Emsellem said.

    Shifting to a Work-First-style setup would end the system of unemployment insurance as we know it, and fly in the face of its original purpose, Emsellem warned. "That's not what the unemployment program is about. It's there to help people find a good job, not just any job," he said, noting that studies show people who receive jobless benefits while out of work tend to ultimately find better jobs than those who don't.

    Thurmond noted in response that recipients are already required to look for a job, so adding additional requirements wouldn't fundamentally transform the system. And in any case, he said he only supports a voluntary approach, like that taken by Georgia Works, rather than a system that mandates that the jobless train or work in exchange for benefits.

    But not everyone agrees. Cantor's proposal from 2009 recommended that some benefit recipients "should be expected to engage in education, training, or enhanced job search as a condition of eligibility."

    To Emsellem, that would spell the end of the system as we know it. "This is an insurance program--a program that was set up so that it would be there no matter your situation, so that you could count on it when hard times hit," he said. "You start requiring folks to take a job and it's a whole different program."

     
     
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    • Leonne Feldy  •  7 mths ago
      can someone please tell me what is the job bill about?i have to write a paper on it
      • jennyw 5 mths ago
        Go look it up and read it it's called research. used to be a way of life for all college students now all they want is a hand out. shame on you lazy bone.
      • Nikki T 5 mths ago
        You tell em Jen!! I see you
    • George  •  8 mths ago
      @Kevin, You said (among other things): "If you TAX something, it shrinks." I just wanted to inquire of you, how would America pay for interstate highways and bridges and the military for starters? Just asking.
      • Kevin 8 mths ago
        George,
        We subsidize highways. Subsidizing them has helped the highway system to grow. Taxing any different activity, causes it to shrink in response to the increased costs associated with the taxes. We don't tax highways, we subsidize them. The rule is, If you subsidize something, it grows. That is a 'given'. The question always needs to be, "Do We Want This To Grow In Size In Relation To The National Budget?" Keep in mind that while the highway system has grown, the reliance on it has also grown. Now, we have an issue because of mismanagement and ineptness in which the highway system is in need of massive repairs and maintenance because the taxes that have been levied for the highways have been misspent of misappropriated.
      • Kevin 8 mths ago
        OH, and George, an "Tax" example for highways is thus:

        We don't want over large, heavily weighted vehicles tearing up highways. However, there are times those vehicles are required to move things. Hence, we levy "Overweight" or "Oversized" fees or taxes whenever someone moves something that needs to be moved in spite of the typical restrictions. Levying these extra fee's reduces the amount of "Oversized" loads and keeps them regulated.

        Sometimes, taxing an activity is desired in order to produce a needed result.
    • JERRY G  •  7 mths ago
      Leet me see if i understand this. the gov. Sent billions to iraq, afganistan, lybia and many others, yet becouse of this the unimployed will get screwed again. it's not our fault we asre in this mess, it's the gov. Any they tell us to get lost. when are those in power going to but the blam on thos that caused the problem, themselves!! congress needs to pay there fair share and not be able to not pay back there taxes, school loans and all the thing they get and to hell with the rest of the country. if they don't pass the extensions they will lose there election. do they care, no, they will continue to,get there benfits for life. aha, screwed again!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
      • Jai Johnston 5 mths ago
        you missed the boat. bet you were at the airport when your ship came in. what were you reading?
    • A Yahoo! User  •  8 mths ago
      Income inequality has become a hot political issue in the last couple weeks. Obama has called on his committee to undertake comprehensive tax reform, and has laid out five principles for it to follow: 1) lower tax rates; 2) eliminate wasteful loopholes and tax breaks; 3) decrease the deficit by $1.5 trillion; 4) increase job creation and growth; and 5) comport with the "Buffett Rule" that people making more than $1 million a year should not pay a smaller share of their income in taxes than middle-class families pay. This helps eliminate some income inequality but cutting the loopholes that many wealthy people were employing in order to pay less taxes than even the middle class were paying. This shows that income inequality is very present in society and that the President is taking steps in trying to eliminate this.
    • GlenM  •  8 mths ago
      more and more and bigger goverment, Damm politicions never learn
      • Fuzzy Thinker 8 mths ago
        Politicians Want Bigger Govt because it is fun.
      • Quester 8 mths ago
        Sorry GlenM, Your wrong, #$%$ (Politicians never learn ) ? They DO learn and have learned their lessons quite well. That is why they don't Give a Hoot about being voted out of office and still find the courage to make Your life a living Hell. There are Millions ( Alive and Dead ) in, " Germany ", that could tell you first hand what happens " When the citizens do Nothing to stop the Growth of an Self Serving Government, and allow them too Take command of their lives. Just like Those Little gods in Washington D.C. Today. So, They have learned their lessons very well, . I'm sorry to say this, but " Things will not Change for the better in the Balled Boxes, But Rather on the Battle field, Try to understand this; " Give a man a Fish and you've feed him for a day, Teach a man to Fish and you'll have feed him for a life time ".
      • CharlieB 3 mths ago
        This is the only country where people is fighting the government all the time, instead of working together with them. What is wrong with you people?
    • ICY69HOT  •  8 mths ago
      Lot's of streets need sweeping, drains cleaned, parks garbage picked up and made to look wonderful again.. Painting all those tagged buildings to stop the insane ugly look kids put up to express themselves.. Time to recover our self respect and if you have to receive jobless benefits you can at least be a contructive member of the community and do something for the money you are receiving,, after all it's only fair.. you don't deserve something for nothing.
      • A Yahoo! User 8 mths ago
        I agree with what you've said, however all the jobs you mentioned are government jobs which do nothing to grow the economy. Our country needs more private sector jobs.
      • Rick H 8 mths ago
        I wonder who would pay you to do those types of jobs? The Government does not have any money!
      • Tusk 8 mths ago
        use the same money that is given away for nothing in return right now
    • stevie  •  8 mths ago
      the constructions jobs are only temporary jobs, when the projects ends they are out of work again. we need a strong economy that produces jobs that will last longer than 6-12 months.
    • americanlady  •  8 mths ago
      Who is going to make sure that only Americans have the jobs instead of companies hiring illegal hispanics and paying under the table as so many businesses are doing today?????
    • IHU  •  8 mths ago
      Someone please explain to me, how the most UN-intelligent, UN-educated, UN-civilized & UN-believably DYSFUNCTIONAL people like the cast of 'Jersey Shore' can milk taxpayers of nearly $500,000 "No questions asked", and yet THIS is what they do to people who have actually paid into this program that, mind you, was DESIGNED to help them if needed...
      ???? ANYBODY??? Can anybody make sense of that??
    • Anonymous  •  8 mths ago
      When the same thing is going on when the next president come into office, lets see who yall blame then. One person can't put a country in dept and If you want someone to blame. Blame the house for voting for nonsense.
    • A Yahoo! User  •  8 mths ago
      while training for new kind of work they are not eligible TO work. they already have a plan in pa that allows for training or schooling and continued collecting. TAA and to make it mandatory is not going to work. it extends benifits for the unemployed. pennsylvania also tried the welfare training program where recipients must train or lose benifits. they put time limits on benifits. none of this has helped much without jobs to offer after training. we have hundreds of trained medical workers and because of it they recieve low pay and partial benifits. sure did not help the poverty level any.
      when the price of gas went up the price of food went up for transportation cost? when it went down the price of food went up further, now the price of gas is is up AND the min wage is up and the price of food is out of sight. you want to help us put a stop to price gouging.
    • glennr  •  8 mths ago
      .
    • Thomas G  •  8 mths ago
      When entitlements stop social unrest and violence begins. Why is Texas doing so well and the entitlement states such as New York and California failing. Simple Texas does not give away anything!
    • Timm L  •  8 mths ago
      Why is this even a topic? Why do we have to pass a bill to put people to work? Good lord man get ot there and sell BONDs at least make an effort like you want people to go back to work...the Georgia plan as it stands is worthless for the state and for America...If your going to do something like this you might as well put them to work doing something for America if your going to pay them,,like you said in your jobs speech "Shovel ready jobs" heres your chance to put shovels in the hands of those that are unemployed and put them to work,,,Why is it that you have taken so simple and made it so complicated? oh thats right,,,its the goverment...I can think of about 10 things off the top of my head that the goverment should be doing right this very second to put people back to work...but you wont cause it will alienate future voters...
    • Carl  •  8 mths ago
      I am 62 and out of work, it is even harder for me to find a job then the average 30 year old. Some say I am retired and should just be content to collect SS. Well I still have bills like most Americans in our country, while they are not many SS alone will not cover them. When I was working I wanted to work till I was at least 66, most baby boomers feel the same way, yet I was replaced with a younger worker and not as much experience. If as one post said a guarantee can be tied in that after 90 days a person does not get released and that full employment is certain as long as: attendance is good, passing drug tests, positive attitudes in the work place and whatever else one could think of as a requirement for employment. Otherwise, for some employers this could be just used like a revolving door for corporate welfare employment.
      At 62 I have gone back to school and currently hold a B average. I am asked all the time what do I hope to accomplish when I am done. My reply is "Satisfaction of trying and not giving up". And if I work to 70 all the better. My point is that I feel this is a good plan in order for people to get back to work why not tie it into retraining and re-educating. The good paying jobs requiring a high school diploma only in manufacturing are fewer and many are gone forever. As I said there needs to be strong regulations on the unemployed as well as the employer to make sure this does not turn out to be welfare for both, we all know how people and employers will take advantage of the system.
      Tying, unemployment requirements to going back to school or job training by prospective employers sounds reasonable.
    • A Yahoo! User  •  8 mths ago
      This approach will help change a long growing culture of lazy people falling back on government assistance. Too many people know that the only requirement for a free meal is having a social security number…. and in many cases you don’t even need that! This is why America bounced back from the depression; people did whatever they had to do to survive.
      Punching numbers into a telephone every two weeks and recording phony job search records to receive unemployment benefits wasn’t an option back then.
    • jcs  •  8 mths ago
      I thoight this was for stiulation of jobs not unemployment benefits! What exactly is he talking about? Does even he know?
    • harv  •  8 mths ago
      we need to get rid of this pos b4 he gets rid of us,,today as tomarro will be to late.

      openseasontime people

      time 2 h.a.r.v. it Honor.AmeriCan's.Revolution.Victory
    • Teresa Williams  •  8 mths ago
      I have worked for $25/hr; I have worked for $9.20/hr. I don't need more training, I need a job. I have job skills already. I needed a typing certificate for one job I applied for, and my so-called "one-stop career center" couldn't help me. I had a hard time finding somewhere, because all of the adults schools and colleges didn't start typing tests until September. I have applied at all levels of my experience. I seem to be either over-qualified or under-qualified by employers standards. I care more about the job than the pay! Let me decide for myself whether a job is "beneath" me.
    • Daniel  •  8 mths ago
      Our boat is full of holes,as soon as you plug one,three more pop out,so what to do?
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