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    More than 49 million Americans — even more than thought — live in poverty, new measure finds

    The Fallon family, of Palatine, Ill., has been living in poverty for nearly two years. AP Photo/Robert RayIn September, the government reported that a record 46.6 million Americans were living in poverty. But a new report released Monday by the Census Bureau using a more sophisticated method to measure poverty rates has found that the true figure is even higher: 49.1 million, or 16 percent of all Americans.

    It's not just the raw number that's different under the new measure--it's also the breakdown of who's poor and who's not. Using the new Census methods, the share of the poor who are over 65 jumps from 7.6 percent to 12.7 percent. And the share who are under 18 falls from 36.1 percent to 27.7 percent. In other words, kids aren't doing quite as badly as we thought, the report suggests, while seniors are doing far worse.

    What accounts for the changes? The Census Bureau's traditional poverty measure has changed little since it was first developed in 1963. The old poverty calculus has several important shortcomings: It doesn't take into account the impact of non-cash government benefits such as food stamps and tax credits; it doesn't include expenses like out-of-pocket medical costs; and it doesn't factor in varying costs of living across the country. The new method, known as the Supplemental Poverty Measure, fixes these problems.

    "The new measure is going to give us a better sense of the extent of poverty, and who's poor, and the effect of government programs," Jane Waldfogel, an expert on poverty at the Columbia University School of Social Work, told Yahoo News. "So in all those respects, it's vastly superior."

    Take the issue of out-of-pocket medical expenses. Had they not been factored in, the report states, the poverty rate for seniors would be 8.6 percent. Under the new measure, it's 15.9 percent. "So that one element alone is huge," said Waldfogel.

    The new findings also demonstrate the value of government programs in keeping Americans out of poverty, Waldfogel said--just as Congress is mulling cuts to some of them. Were it not for the Earned Income Tax Credit, for example, the new measure shows that the child poverty rate would be 22 percent; without food stamps, the rate of child poverty would be 21 percent. With both those programs factored in, it's 18 percent.

    "The good news here is that we do have a social safety that is designed to reduce poverty among families with children," said Waldfogel.

    The new method also will likely somewhat reduce the salience of the "poverty line" as the be-all and end-all way of measuring poverty. Because Census' revised measure factors in more expenses, it raises that line for a family of four to $24,343 from $22,350. But under the new system, that threshold isn't hard and fast--it varies depending on where you live, and on whether you own your home and therefore aren't paying rent, among other factors.

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    • White minority  •  6 mths ago
      I don't have cable TV I don't have a fancy phone my car is 11 years old and patched together I rent an apartment, a #$%$ one but it's big even though the roof leaks at least once a winter since I moved in. I don't spend money on makeup, perms I cut my own hair and pluck my own brows paint my own nails. Everything I own I bought at a yard sale or thrift shop or found free. Despite all this I always look nice, eat most everything organic, get enough sleep and laugh more often. Your HEALTH is your greatest wealth - take care of that and own less stuff you will be free of many worries and problems. Take care of your appearance and health and be proud when you look in the mirror to be alive nothing else matters.
      • Seedaview 6 mths ago
        My kind of girl, happy and low maintance.
      • Dora 6 mths ago
        White Minority, you are alright and you have a good attitude!
      • happy toberight 6 mths ago
        yea someone with a good attitude and a grateful heart. There is hope for America
    • nhz  •  6 mths ago
      Poverty is the mother of crime, and revolution.
      -Plato
      • happy toberight 6 mths ago
        plato was a pervert and a idiot
      • GeorgeF 6 mths ago
        No sir, you are a [sic] idiot. Plato is the father of all philosophy and critical thinking. You are just another mouth breather on yahoo who spouts crap instead of using your brain.
      • Larry C 6 mths ago
        The new problem for the ruling class ( which includes the media elite ) is that more and more people understand and know this. Now, what are they going to do about it?
    • mindshift  •  Austin, United States  •  6 mths ago
      Unemployment is roughly double the official figure, because government does not count those no longer eligible for unemployment compensation, and it doesn't count those who have taken a part time job. Inflation is higher than the government reports, because energy and food costs are considered too volatile to be part of the equation. Yet these two factors affect all Americans in the most direct ways.

      All reports should be done so that a truly accurate picture emerges, just as was done by the Census Bureau on poverty. We cannot deal with the problems if we are not allowed to see them. The government needs to stop trying to fool us with rose-colored reports.
      • Hawkeytown 6 mths ago
        Please tell Nancy Pelosi that. She was spoutting off her mouth once again saying that if Obama wasn't president, that unemployment would be 15%. In the words of bevis and butthead --- "hahhahhh hahhahh, hey dumb@#s, it already is!"
      • TimS 6 mths ago
        Well said. Thank you.
      • tiredofbums 6 mths ago
        Inflation will always be with us as long as Ben Bernake prints useless money. Money is debt. Less than 3 percent of all US dollars are in printed form. The rest is in cyber space floating around, getting passed from one computer to the other. Bring back sound money. Hang Ben. Audit the fed. Abolish the fed. Bring back the gold standard.
        Having written this, and reading the article, You are poor if you make $75,000 dollars a year. The dollar is worth about .27 cents today accounting for inflation. Ron Paul has a good remedy for this if he's elected president. Check him out.
    • Maximus  •  6 mths ago
      need manufacturing to come back - need jobs of all types in the USA - cant all be college graduates - vocational training key- and need to have tax policy that stimulates investment in the USA or it will get worse-
      • EddieO 6 mths ago
        A large percentage of manufacturing jobs have been lost to improve machinery and mass production (not just outsourcing)... things are only going to get worse for manufacturing unfortunately.
      • stormisdad 6 mths ago
        vocations vocations vocations.....that is what we took out of our schools and need to put back in
      • Henry Juhala 6 mths ago
        Eddie is right. We need to start thinking different and smarter so we can continue to employ more. But we are fooling to keep putting our eggs all in the manufacturing basket. There are no longer avenues for manufacturing in America to raise most of those eggs to fruition. I do agree a lot more that did go overseas could be brought back now that we see some of the mistakes of relocating factories just on the wage basis alone. Sometimes that does not compensate for other priorities.

        As well if American's would just spend a little more energy and maybe a dollar or two on USA made products we could help bring back much of our manufacturing base. It would only take a little bit of help from each U.S. resident and we would be well on our way to an improved manufacturing base in the U.S.
    • Greg G  •  Houston, United States  •  6 mths ago
      the government does not count people like me. I am a small business owner who has not received a paycheck in a year to try to stay in business
      • Mike Hawk 6 mths ago
        When I started my company, it was 3 years till I finished my work and went to market. Today my software company is the 3rd largest employer in the state. Sometimes when it was rough, I wanted to quit but I found ways to survive. The rewards are great if you say coarse... (I know how course is spelled but coarse is an anagram for rough direction) funny huh?
      • ken 6 mths ago
        Mike, as a 1%er the mob will try to lynch you from the nearest tree. they'll say you're cheating them of their rightful share, but none of them are willing to go through the risks and troubles that you went through. They just want you to pay their share. Funny, isn't it?
      • MzVirgoLuv 6 mths ago
        That's not true. You are success story and congrats on that, but some of us don't even have it to even risk. I want my own biz but I don't have the money and since the banks are loaning money, can't get a loan to start. I have five kids, in which one is college and one on her way next year. My husband and I have two college degrees and since our jobs got axed, went from making a comfy $75,000 a year to not even $30,000 between the two of us. We can't afford to move and our dreams of our own biz is just not there anymore. We don;t hate anyone for their success, we just want to be able to have our own and make sure the ppl that can pay for it, do....
    • Chalis  •  Seattle, United States  •  6 mths ago
      60 years ago, your employer would now hand out Christmas bonuses. Nowdays it is the time to hand out lay-off notices.
    • A Yahoo! User  •  6 mths ago
      And let us all keep in mind that our congressmen are living in 10,000 square ft. homes driving BMWs with free license plates that allow them to speed, run red lights, while wearing $1,000 suits. When and if they ever retire, they will bring in more money per month than many of us bring home in a year....or two.
    • Outrider  •  6 mths ago
      We can support illegals who contribute nothing, we can pay welfare mothers to reproduce, we can pay for wars to protect the interest of other countries, we can give tax breaks to people who already have more than they could ever hope to spend, but we can't take care of the middle class who makes it all possible. America is FUBAR.
    • TIM  •  Englewood, United States  •  6 mths ago
      listen up people. it does not matter what politition is in the white house! these people were all born with silver spoons up their #$%$ and have never done an honest days work in their lives. until we get congressmen, senators and a president who actually know what it means to work for a living, going paycheck to paycheck and sometimes coming up short, we are never going to get anywhere!!!!!!!!!!!!! this means we are totally screwed, because you have to be rich to run for office in the first place. kiss our country goodbye without a serious revolution.
    • Richard  •  6 mths ago
      More foriegn aid, rebuild countries we invade and bomb ,trying to force our politics on people who don't want us there. What a joke. Why don't we lead by example, with our own citizens being taken care of first before going into debt and leaving the bill for our future generations to deal with. Just plain wrong.
    • A.T.R.  •  Yonkers, United States  •  6 mths ago
      The rise and decline and fall of the Roman Empire, the rise and decline and fall of the British Empire, now meet the rise and decline and fall of the American Empire.
    • Max  •  Springfield, United States  •  6 mths ago
      The list grows longer everyday, they can recycle this headline every month
    • Behshahr  •  Miami, United States  •  6 mths ago
      Sounds like a lot of good reasons to stop supporting the rest of the world, nix the UN, get out of the Middle East and spend our money on ourselves.
    • goodoleamerican  •  6 mths ago
      Self inflicted.....might as well just get used to begging the government for our daily rashions and blankets. What could have been done wasn't. The American people failed themselves by not holding their own governement accountable. We are lazy. We were aware of the greed and corruption but decided to do nothing. We talk a big game but don't act. I wish I could look my children in the eye and tell them it will be OK, but it won't. For this, I am truly sorry!!
    • Mark  •  Alpine, United States  •  6 mths ago
      With the current administration those of us TRYING to live on SOCIAL SECURITY are going to stay in proverty! The COST OF LIVING increase that we will FINALLY get in 2012 does NOT even compare to the high cost of EVERYTHING! The cost of living has doubled & yet this administration gives us NOTHING to work with against these HIGH prices! Yet they can live in their expense mansions & say they need to cut OUR budget! Has ANYONE out there seen a cut in the current administration budget? They continue to take luxuary trips at OUR expense & say it's good for the country! They continue to spend our hard earned tax dollars on THEIR fancy parties! They continue to eat the best steak while we can't even afford to buy hamburger! They increase their personal staff even to the point of taking care of their pets! All this & more as we suffer each & every day to put food on our table & try to afford our medical cost just to continue to live! Then again how in the world can we expect these RICH politicians to know what an average person has to do to make it from one month to the next! Some of us have been forced to give up our beloved pets because we can't afford to put food on our tables & therefore can't afford the pets anymore! But if you're the first dog you can fly on your personal air plane & take along a person that is earning a six figure income to make sure you're well taken care of! We have earned our social security benefits the hard way & yet a person who serves in CONGRESS can retire after one term & have a GOLD PLUS retirement package! I'm actually glad my time on this earth will not be a long stay dealing with my illness! I just feel for those who are actually working & paying into a system that is TOTALLY wasting away TRILLIONS of tax payer dollars! This country has lost a lot in these last few years by NOT taking care of it's own & pouring billions of our tax dollars to foreign lands! I also feel sorry for our young service men & women who have given their lives in the line of duty to their country! Let us not forget all the service men & women who have been injured & still fighting to survive in this country. Yet this administration still takes & takes & takes our tax dollars so they can continue to support THEIR wasteful habits! I for one highly support those people who have the courage to stand up & protest against this current administration & their policies for the RICH! I hear the words of the vice president almost every day saying "IF ONLY THE AMERICAN PEOPLE KNEW"! Well it has taken sometime for the AMERICAN PEOPLE to totally wake up but I for one believe more & more of us will wake up & know what these politicians are really doing with OUR hard earned tax dollars!
    • Michael  •  Minneapolis, United States  •  6 mths ago
      Stop send all the work to China. Get manufacturing going in US. Why do we support the #$%$ Better quality of products and put people to work here!!!!!!
    • Ric  •  Camden, United States  •  6 mths ago
      Someday, and it may happen soon, the money is going to run out. Then people will really know what poverty is. Like in India, the poverty line is 2100 CALORIES per day. My point is America is a great country and we need to tighten our belts and stop wasting money on stuff we can no longer afford.
    • joseph  •  Oakhurst, United States  •  6 mths ago
      Stop providing all our hard erned tax's to country's that hate us and set-up helping the poor in this country,get rid of lobbyist's/make it illeagle! Fire the #$%$amp;#39;s in congress/senateand vote in somebody trustworthy,honest,who works for the people !
    • Diogenes  •  Richardson, United States  •  6 mths ago
      We are the worlds police force. We have military bases in 60 foreign countries. We are fighting wars that are in their 10th year. Come home. Save America
    • Chris F  •  St. Paul, United States  •  6 mths ago
      It's been a decades long campaign of moving good paying jobs to cheap labor markets overseas and an effort to make the very rich even richer, and this is what you get. So many pinheads blame 'lazy' people. What a laugh.
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