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    Is the poverty rate even higher than thought?

    AP Photo/Joe MarquetteIn September, Americans accustomed to dismal economic news absorbed another rude blow, with reports that a record 46.2 million Americans were living in poverty, and that the poverty rate had jumped in recent years. But the actual rate may in fact be even higher than that--while the recent spike may be less severe than thought, a new study is expected to show.

    On Monday, the U.S. Census Bureau will release a report that uses an alternative--and many say a more accurate--method of measuring poverty. Unlike the conventional method, which is largely unchanged since it was created in 1963, the new one will count tax credits and non-cash benefits--food stamps, for instance--as income. The new calculus will also include medical costs--an enormous fixed expense for some Americans, especially seniors. The Census Bureau's revised method of assessing poverty will also take into account the vastly different costs of living across the country.

    How will that change things? According to the New York Times, experts expect the new measure to show that the share of Americans living in poverty is actually slightly higher than the 15.1 percent--already very high by historical standards--the Census researchers reported in September.

    But the Census Bureau's new findings may also show that the Great Recession and the halting recovery that has followed didn't have as big an impact as September's report suggested. That study found that since 2006, the number of Americans living in poverty has risen by a whopping 9.7 million. The Times reports that a study published last week using alternate Census data showed a gain of less than half that figure--4.6 million. The more recent study also showed that 39 states experienced no significant growth in poverty during that period. That study was similar in methodology to the government's new analysis out Monday.

    In addition, because the new Census report will include medical costs as a fixed expense, it will likely show a higher poverty rate among seniors, though a lower one among children.

    One other takeaway from the alternate measure, which could have political implications as lawmakers haggle over budget cuts: Safety net programs such as food stamps and tax credits appear to have played a major role in keeping many Americans' heads above water.

    Supporters of such programs are already using that projected finding to argue against cuts to such programs. The new measure "is showing that government help is keeping millions of families above the poverty line right now," Arloc Sherman of the liberal Center on Budget and Policy Priorities told the Times.

    Opponents may counter, in turn, that because the programs are already sizable--combined, food stamps and tax credits accounted for $221 billion in spending last year, almost all benefiting low income people--they can afford to be trimmed.

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    • Christy  •  Lakewood, United States  •  6 mths ago
      1960 Sen Barry Goldwater: "Most American s have no real understanding of the operation of the international money lenders. The accounts of the Federal Reserve System have never been audited. It operates outside the control of congress and manipulates the credit of the United States."
      • Stephen J 6 mths ago
        Oh, so true!
      • Old Geezer 6 mths ago
        Thanks for the memories. I voted for Goldwater! But then Tricky Dick turned around and took us off the Gold Standard. I did not vote for that slezeball SOB. Don't blame me!
      • Gonewest 6 mths ago
        OK, we don't blame you - but you *are* voting for Ron Paul this time, right?
    • b  •  6 mths ago
      Food Stamps count as income? LMAO, is that really how poor our nation has become?
      • Cherry Blossom 6 mths ago
        i agree why would they count food stamps as income
      • Lee 6 mths ago
        Sadly that's how bad our government has become...
    • LARGE-CAR  •  Niagara Falls, United States  •  6 mths ago
      In wash. if you dont like the numbers, you change the math, like way back when the unemployment rate was so high they changed the way they calculated it, by not counting those whos benefits ran out they could show a lower rate...
      • Senior 6 mths ago
        Was there also a problem because they counted the Census people as being full time every day for ever workers?
        They knew who to pad the books better then the padded bra companies.
      • MikeBad 6 mths ago
        There are definitely ways of cooking the unemployment numbers. Reagan made his numbers look good by adding the military, which previously wasn't included. That being said, unemployment is NOT calculated by the number of claims. it is done by a monthly survey. It has been for decades. So those losing benefits are still included.
      • William 6 mths ago
        You think it's bad now, just wait until the government attacks the rich, then you'll see the rich raise their cost of products and services across the board to make up for the losses they incurr through higher taxes. It's really a trickle down taxation method which causes inflation to supplement their lost profits. Either way you go folks, it's the worker who is actually getting taxed.
    • Feathered Fury  •  6 mths ago
      People should cut up their credit cards. It's liberating. 7 years and no credit cards and counting!
      • A Real American 6 mths ago
        Congratulations! I'd vote for you for president to get rid of our national credit cards.
      • Feathered Fury 6 mths ago
        Why thank you! Although I don't think I would want that job. Too stressful.
      • Joe 6 mths ago
        Aves, I cut up my cards in 1996, I have since paid cash for everything (except houses) and now I have 2 very nice houses paid for and am about to buy another for rental property. I have been debt free since 2006 when I paid off my last house, the rental house I am about to buy I will pay off in 6 months because I have money in the bank instead of GIVING my money to credit card interest.
    • Jocko  •  Los Angeles, United States  •  6 mths ago
      Almost 47 million suffering in poverty in our country yet we give billions in aid to other countries and spend trillions in wars. I dont care if you are repub or dem stop the foreign aid and stop the illegal aliens and anchorbabies. Take care of our citizens first with our money.
      • pepapiga 6 mths ago
        amen!
      • Brother S 6 mths ago
        I wish I could give you a hundred thumbs up. The majority of Americans feel the same as yourself , yet here we are still in the same situation. Good profits for large multinational corporations , though. I wonder!
      • Chang Pao 6 mths ago
        That's what Ayn Rand meant when she stated she was against altruism. You don't give the family down the block all your food when your own family is starving just so you can feeeel good about yourself.
    • here we go  •  6 mths ago
      Welcome to the NEW America!
      Soon we WILL be included in the list among the 3rd world nations.
      I went from $32K a year to unemployment!
      I can't even afford to die now... where would I be buried....???
      THIS SUCKS!!!!
    • Patrick K  •  Toledo, United States  •  6 mths ago
      So many outta work ! Lost their homes ect ect ect ! Now i understand why my folks pounded on my head and said pay cash for everything you you buy ! Because if you dont you may buy it twice ! Dont buy anything you dont really need save your money for hardtimes !!!

      plk
    • Crusher  •  6 mths ago
      Welcome to the party of reality. If you start to count the dropouts the employment numbers are close to twice the reported numbers. But that's Washington.
    • JohnR  •  6 mths ago
      feeding and housing a family of 4 cost less then keeping one person in prison
    • Anonymous Euronymous  •  6 mths ago
      "Is actual poverty rate in America even higher than thought?"

      Answer: Yes, and so is unemployment.

      Next question....
    • banditsrubyangel  •  6 mths ago
      The poverty rate may be higher than originally thought? Well, duh! Reading news articles like these is giving me the same feeling I had two years ago, when the media seriously doubted there was even a recession going on---until a bunch of media types got laid off. It's not sunshine and roses out here, buddy. That church food pantry down the street from me does a booming business. Used to be open only two days a week, but due to the demand they expanded their hours of operation to three days. I didn't see that many people during the so-called height of the recession.
    • Clayton Y  •  6 mths ago
      40% of American jobs used to be in manufacturing. With that base gone, is anyone suprised?
    • Thomas  •  Durango, United States  •  6 mths ago
      Of course it is. The government been padding numbers forever.
    • Joseph  •  6 mths ago
      Poverty is the new normal.
    • CONNIE  •  6 mths ago
      Yes. I WAS middle class, 3 years ago, no more.
    • Christy  •  Lakewood, United States  •  6 mths ago
      Thomas Jefferson: "I sincerly believe that banking instituations are more dangerous to our liberties than standing armies. The issuing power should be taken from teh banks and restored to the people to whom it properly belongs" The solution to ALL our economic problems today.
    • JoeBagaDoughnuts  •  6 mths ago
      There's more people on food stamps in he USA than the whole population of Spain!
    • HAL 9000  •  Dallas, United States  •  6 mths ago
      Yes. It is. But not as high as it's going to be if we don't get control of our government.
    • From New York  •  6 mths ago
      if the actual unemployment rate is much higher then published then it would not surprise me about poverty...So thank the federal Government for taking care of every other country but their own..
    • Unbiased American  •  Phoenix, United States  •  6 mths ago
      Can someone please stop this ride ... I wanna get off now. I hate to think the US has become a 2nd world nation, soon to be 3rd world.
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